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[MMissile]

My knee surgeon has one. It's black, like his Bentley, Benz, Escalade, and every other car he's owned. He knows I'm a car-guy, and when asked about it...he says it's a riot.

 

[Jack_Toepfer]

So, maybe a silly question about the skyrocketing prices over the last couple years… is it greed at Stellantis looking for more profits, or is it the constantly rising costs associated with the UAW, and potential greed on their part?
If I recall, Ford justified price increases some years ago, citing the rising cost of UAW workers and the actual profit per vehicle was minuscule.

 

[MMissile]

Before I bought mine, I laid two nearly identical cars side by side. Pre-strike/post-strike. Sticker was about 5K higher for the same cars, post-strike. I bought the pre-strike car, with incentives. My brother bought the almost identical twin. They were ordered together, and never purchased.

 

[DavidKFla]

So, maybe a silly question about the skyrocketing prices over the last couple years… is it greed at Stellantis looking for more profits, or is it the constantly rising costs associated with the UAW, and potential greed on their part?
If I recall, Ford justified price increases some years ago, citing the rising cost of IAW workers and the actual profit per vehicle was minuscule.

3/4 of the shit is made in Mexico.

Stellantis announced that their business plan is to build less cars with a higher profit margin.

While it sounds good on paper, overall the product itself is not at that level.

 

[MMissile]

3/4 of the shit is made in Mexico.

Stellantis announced that their business plan is to build less cars with a higher profit margin.

While it sounds good on paper, overall the product itself is not at that level.

Not gonna have options. Does Chrysler make "cars" anymore?

 

[DavidKFla]

Not gonna have options. Does Chrysler make "cars" anymore?

Chrysler is soon to be gone. Others will follow suit. Look at all brands, it's been happening across the board.

 

[MMissile]

My point. All these companies have ever wanted, is Jeep.

 

[DavidKFla]

My point. All these companies have ever wanted, is Jeep.

And they're destroying it. Jeep sales are on a huge decline.

How are you going to rock climb out in the middle of nowhere with an electric jeep?

Plus the competition has brought out other alternatives.

 

[Jimmy N.]

How are you going to rock climb out in the middle of nowhere with an electric jeep?

By not using your electric winch you may be able to go an extra 250 feet.

Except you can't get there without using the winch.

 

[DavidKFla]

Those Grand Waggoners are a flop. Less interior space than a Suburban.

Soccer moms wants to throw kids in there and have room for gear in the back.

And Jeep doesn't have the "street cred" of the other brands.

I asked my daughter if she looked at one. She said that it was awful. This is after 3 Suburbans and now an Escalade.

 

[MMissile]

Prices are killing all sales. Jeep has a world-wide following and audience. I hear Ford is thinking about making a Bronco for males....

 

[MMissile]

Those Grand Waggoners are a flop. Less interior space than a Suburban.

Soccer moms wants to throw kids in there and have room for gear in the back.

And Jeep doesn't have the "street cred" of the other brands.

I asked my daughter if she looked at one. She said that it was awful. This is after 3 Suburbans and now an Escalade.

I hadn't considered the school-bus market.

 

[DavidKFla]

Prices are killing all sales. Jeep has a world-wide following and audience. I hear Ford is thinking about making a Bronco for males....

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The Navigator isn't much either. Way underpowered and feels very cheap.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Up here in WNY..just about all of them are driven all year round...

Mine is a daily driver, long road trip vehicle, hunting vehicle, and pontoon boat pulling truck.

 

[1971demon]

Mine is a daily driver, long road trip vehicle, hunting vehicle, and pontoon boat pulling truck.
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Curious..it sees all around duty...what kind of overall mileage do you get

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Curious..it sees all around duty...what kind of overall mileage do you get

In town I’m around 10mpg.

Highway varies. Below are two examples of what I’ve gotten.

This was a mix of highway speeds between 55mph and 70mph (120 miles was at 55mph, the rest between 65mph and 70mph)



This is from a trip to San Juan Island and back.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

This is a trip to Seattle and back. As you can see, the 14mpg on the highway is a stretch.

 

[1971demon]

This is a trip to Seattle and back. As you can see, the 14mpg on the highway is a stretch.


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Not as bad as one would think for the size and power plant...

 

[1971demon]

Not as bad as one would think for the size and power plant...

I would imagine spirited driving would be havoc on those numbers...

 

[Jimmy N.]

I'd have to look in the log book, but should be around 14-15 for mine, as long as I keep it under 80...and don't pass too many other cars since that's always at full throttle.

As usual, my girlfriend somehow manages to get much better mileage than I do. Have seen over 16 on the Lie-O-Meter on hers (don't keep a log for that one).

04Ram's numbers are probably more realistic. Not sure if it's the cooler air here or what makes all our vehicles get better mileage than most do, despite driving fast.